CS:GO - Does the Deagle need Changing?

27.11.2020
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Recent discussions on Reddit have proposed that the Deagle needs changing because it's too inaccurate, and inflicts too much damage! Would changes to the Deagle encourage 'proper' usage, and would this be good for the game?
See the Weapon stats spreadsheet here - docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/11tDzUNBq9zIX6_9Rel__fdAUezAQzSnh5AVYzCP060c/edit#gid=0
The post that started the deagle debate - www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/k0qved/the_desert_eagle_needs_a_change/
0:00 - The deagle in 2020
1:15 - Community reactions
1:56 - Deagle's accuracy
4:17 - Deagle's damage
6:09 - The revolver
6:50 - Weapon balance mod's proposal
7:31 - Conclusion

Kommentteja
  • Deagle needs to go 3 shot kill to the body. I can't recognize the game anymore. The is no round that doesn't involve people instacrouching and pressing mouse 1 as fast as they can to overpower most rifles close range if you don't headshot immediately. Theres just no risk since its so cheap and little to non counterplay close range. Its like a shotgun you can fire as fast as you press mouse 1.

    VideosNoOneVideosNoOnePäivä sitten
  • what if there was no inaccuracy when standing still at all. would it really break the game?

    AsdfAsdf4 päivää sitten
  • the Deagle has no recoil pattern. It has completely random recoil. It also has a lot of spread. Valve should nerf the damage, buff the headshot multiplier, buff the shit out of it's standing accuracy and give it an actual recoil pattern.

    AsdfAsdf4 päivää sitten
  • just fix R8

    Jonas Held HansenJonas Held Hansen5 päivää sitten
  • so valorant made it a 3 shot kill to the chest and abdomen but also made it dink people at very long ranges

    MichauMichau7 päivää sitten
  • >rewards skill with easy one shot headshots *Laughs in five seven being "skillful"*

    Hostage MurdererHostage Murderer8 päivää sitten
  • It's a broken gun. Must be nerfed! I don't know how many matches i've watched the last 6 months where a 700$ investment on a eco-round and a few lucky headshots changes the entire match. It's a joke that it has been left like this for so long...

    Carl GårdnerCarl Gårdner8 päivää sitten
  • I think it is where it needs to be. Being powerful but only on skilled hands.

    Hasan GökaydınHasan Gökaydın11 päivää sitten
  • Actually, if the R8 would make you stuck after firing it with the time it curently takes to shoot it, had no rapid fire mode and coul be made very accurate at range, with low amo capacity, it woul almost be like the Quake railgun, I' say it's an interesting concept but, if we make a uake Railgun style weapon, how about a replacement weapon for either the AWP, which woul be a sniper rifle, with iron sights instead of a scope, like, an AWM?

    Individu λambdaIndividu λambda11 päivää sitten
  • The fact that you can miss even if your crosshair is on the enemy is the reason I don’t play this game.

    XxxSwegMachinexxXXxxSwegMachinexxX13 päivää sitten
  • Sooo nobody is gonna talk bout the right Button shot of the revolver?

    sla qualquer coisa memosla qualquer coisa memo13 päivää sitten
  • Either make the revolver an instant shot, longer range deagle, so more accuracy and less damage drop off. with low primary fire rate, so cant be used to spam body shots. Or make the deagle have more accuracy, more like 35m when standing, always 1 tap hs no matter what distance. Aiming the crosshair on someones head across the map, while moving and then having to counter strafe and click at the right time and also before you get shot. All that is hard enough already, why is there some bs rng that just says no not today.

    chubeviewerchubeviewer14 päivää sitten
  • Accuracy is fine. I do, however, think there is an argument to drop the damage so it takes three bodyshots to kill someone.

    JmvarsJmvars15 päivää sitten
  • they should bind a key the revolver to let you shoot in Single action mode........ y'know....... like a real revolver does?

    happyvelizhappyveliz16 päivää sitten
  • YESS

    ProbablyCheating IVProbablyCheating IV16 päivää sitten
  • every time I see that scream deagle clip, I feel morally moral obligated to respond with this

    Ability MasterAbility Master19 päivää sitten
  • Wtf yesterday i shot two guys from long mirage with a headshot with not crouching 😅 am i lucky or skill

    Stanko StojicevicStanko Stojicevic19 päivää sitten
    • @Stanko Stojicevic then its both skill and luck :)

      Luuk van OijenLuuk van Oijen19 päivää sitten
    • @Luuk van Oijen and i aimed, i focused for headshots

      Stanko StojicevicStanko Stojicevic19 päivää sitten
    • @Luuk van Oijen yeah but i stand completely still

      Stanko StojicevicStanko Stojicevic19 päivää sitten
    • Both, you need to get lucky with the spread, but if you didnt aim well, your chances of hitting those shots is massively reduced

      Luuk van OijenLuuk van Oijen19 päivää sitten
  • No one going to ask why he's measuring a plate in the thumbnail?

    cartlercartler19 päivää sitten
  • idc what anyone says. the deagle is the 2nd worst pistol in the game behind the glock. its just so evident in the new warmup. ill aim specifically for the chest it gets me a headshot, i aim at the head it either misses or gives me a body shot. if a pistol is inaccurate its pretty much useless. no wonder so many silvers get clean headshots with this thing, its the closest thing to "bloom" in counter strike. rewards people for being inaccurate. Nobody's getting better at aiming using this gun.

    FilesFiles20 päivää sitten
    • what's your rank?

      markmark20 päivää sitten
  • Just add a scope to it

    HansHans21 päivä sitten
  • Every time valve change it, it is too dramatic

    jacky chongjacky chong22 päivää sitten
    • both ump, krieg, r8 is completely gone

      jacky chongjacky chong22 päivää sitten
  • make it less accurate bit closer to the 1.6 version as it’s a pistol... should not be accurate as rifles. If you got good aim the deagle can be so overpowered.

    mattkirkhammmattkirkhamm27 päivää sitten
    • I disagree, I think it’s accuracy is pretty balanced as it is

      StarStar26 päivää sitten
  • Revolver rubbish? Oh boy, imagine calling one of the most op guns ingame ( as much as negev ) rubbish. You just dont know how to use it propperly SMH kekW

    RubyDaPlayaRubyDaPlaya28 päivää sitten
  • they should just hire you

    SomeGuyChannelSomeGuyChannel29 päivää sitten
  • I don't understand stand how a similar game like valorant has hit registration, accuracy, and damage / damage fall of so well optimized that shots are either you hit or you didn't. Unlike csgo where bullets will literally go through enemies without doing any damage whatsoever even when standing or crouching. I have not played much of valorant but a ton of cs. Can someone explain? Is it 64 tick servers or the client vs server side of hit reg of csgo? Or is it that valorant just struck gold?

    PeteyVon PetersonPeteyVon PetersonUukausi sitten
    • Consider that csgo is much older than valorant

      StarStar26 päivää sitten
  • "gun need change becauz it dont feel like they way i want it to feel" lol fuck off no one at valve is gonna make the game exactly the way you think it should be. posts like that are so dumb

    BasicMathBasicMathUukausi sitten
  • I fell like you can make the R8 single action to change the time spent firing may be a good idea that would also make fanning make more sense as you can't fan a double action

    jacob lafave 2000jacob lafave 2000Uukausi sitten
  • You’re telling me the Deagle is more accurate at range than the AK? I call bullshit. It doesn’t feel that way at all.

    Greg FGreg FUukausi sitten
    • 3kliksphilip We’re talking about improving gameplay, so yea feeling matter dude. Yea you’re right about effective range, but looking at that chart there’s plenty more that explains why the deagle doesn’t feel as accurate. For instance, the deagle’s standing bullet accuracy jumps from 6.2 to 21.36 compared to 7.01 to 8.64 with the AK on just the second shot. Or the recovery time between shots being more than double for the AK. Doesn’t matter what that number says if it has low external validity. When I play the game, I’m not taking single shots at specific distances while standing still. I would be curious how people would respond in a poll asking which feels more accurate at a distance.

      Greg FGreg FUukausi sitten
  • I'd like the deagle to be more accurate while standing still. It breaks balls when you miss 100% sure kills because of rng. Also I'd like it to be a bit more accurate when doing strafe shots, sometimes those just feel so random even when movement and timing of the shot are ok. Sometimes the shot goes god knows where and sometimes to the center.

    vivikvivikUukausi sitten
  • Missing the Deagle from source

    STVcLipsSTVcLipsUukausi sitten
  • Csgo been dead for over 3 years now only people who play anymore are closet cheaters or people who spent too much on dumb skins that they can’t quit.

    oppboioppboiUukausi sitten
    • What do you mean? It’s literally one of the most played games on steam

      StarStar26 päivää sitten
  • i started playing cs yesterday... the revolver is fun

    Coobk165[GER]Coobk165[GER]Uukausi sitten
    • @Karmadose the most painful thing is, seeing someone use it, say its bad compared to the deag... and then theyre just STANDING for shooting... it hurts to see...

      Coobk165[GER]Coobk165[GER]Uukausi sitten
    • I've been playing for years and agree! People also underestimate its potential in long range duels such as long A on dust 2

      KarmadoseKarmadoseUukausi sitten
  • Next Episode: Do we ever get satisfied enough to just play the game and have fun ffs

    ice breadice breadUukausi sitten
  • I just don't want to be 2 body shot anymore. Everything else works amazing. Just decrease the damage a little and that is it.

    Kevin S.Kevin S.Uukausi sitten
  • Just nerf the 5-7 that’s all I want

    The Doomsday DuckThe Doomsday DuckUukausi sitten
  • They should revert all weapons and hit detection system back to how it was in CS:Source. God that was a great game.

    vf favf faUukausi sitten
  • What the hell is with the thumbnail?

    2 incher2 incherUukausi sitten
  • Well, more meters of acurracy should solve the problem, people dont want to miss a shoot that cleary was not supossed to miss, like the first clip, that make people rage out, i cant believe in 1.6 it less accurate, ot the differences of engine help the deagle more.

    Roney_Nero-149Roney_Nero-149Uukausi sitten
  • Deagle is perfectly balance rn. People who cry about otherwise are the ones who don't understand the economy in the game and don't know how usefull it can be in the hands of someone who really knows the deagle and holding from off angles well.

    Mustafa BarutMustafa BarutUukausi sitten
  • higher headshot damage, lower bodyshot damage would by my best solution

    S0LowS0LowUukausi sitten
  • CS:GO R.I.P (Valve no banned cheater) CS:GO FREE TO PLAY.

    TGS MySQLTGS MySQLUukausi sitten
  • now I hate csgo, and I don't play anymore. I think the deagle should be what we think it is. That gun that you shoot one shot from and hope to get that clean snipe from across the map... It should have less drop off, slightly more accuracy (like 5-10 meters more) and have the same damage, because even if you think you'll two shot someone with it you still need to hit chest then head/stomach. so you have to be at least slightly accurate when missing the head to be able to two shot iirc. Either way I think it should reward players for aiming more rather than less considering it is .50

    DarrkDuckyDarrkDuckyUukausi sitten
  • The deagle to me has always been a gun that rewards accuracy and reaction time and has also been a way to win eco rounds against rifles, but when you can't rely on that it ruins the gun and makes the game just frustrating.

    BebopBebopUukausi sitten
  • Woody wasn't complaining about the accuracy of the Deagle, they mentioned the reliability of it. Two very different factors, and an issue that simply doesn't occur (anywhere near as often) with any other gun. Anyone who uses the Deagle, even against offline bots can see that bullets are prone to simply ignoring heads and travelling through them like it's nothing. It is undoubtedly a broken weapon and I think Woody has suggested some reasonable changes, not for previous CS titles' sakes, but in the interest of players of this game.

    Hello, my name is JimHello, my name is JimUukausi sitten
  • I personally prefer the revolver

    r4Nd0M 73X7r4Nd0M 73X7Uukausi sitten
  • My 'problem' with deagle in csgo, if you can call it that, is that I remember making the cleanest HS in the history of 1.6 while running and stopping (to an almost standstill position) at the end of the long a all the way up to a guy located at the top of the hill of the bombsite A. That must've been like a 1.5 up to twice the distance showcased in the 'accuracy' segment of this video. Deagle in 1.6 was pretty darn accurate and definitely lived up to its designed purpose of slanging those moist and exquisite, long-distance headshots.

    AzureAzureUukausi sitten
  • Soo, now the question is only, how dense the air is in CS:GO. Edit: It's still facinating how 40 ms can count as half a meter on servers.

    Gábor Márton VacskóGábor Márton VacskóUukausi sitten
  • they should have a visual mod that changes your view model into a HCE magnum. and changes the sound

    disfuncion. exedisfuncion. exeUukausi sitten
  • but rhe real question is *Did we ask?*

    ThatLofiKidツThatLofiKidツUukausi sitten
  • Okay literally what is the point of unsilencing the USP tho. Less accurate and louder

    ExtranosenseExtranosenseUukausi sitten
  • Personally, I think that the Deagle should be a body shot weapon; the idea of having a sniper pistol that can one-shot helmets on eco doesn't sit right with me.

    Hidden TreasureHidden TreasureUukausi sitten
    • I mean if you miss you’re pretty fucked

      StarStar26 päivää sitten
  • The deagle is perfectly fine. It's a strong weapon but is more skilled than it looks like. These people are just GE noobs talking , MM players never played faceit.

    MadonoShita NiMadonoShita NiUukausi sitten
  • Im gn so i rly dont csre if they even change it at my rank its pretty fair

    Luka JovanovskiLuka JovanovskiUukausi sitten
  • Wait, isnt the accurate range of the R8 about 60 m?

    vladimir martinezvladimir martinezUukausi sitten
  • I wouldn't mind if the revolver was made single-action, or still double action but you can cock it

    WanderingWonderWanderingWonderUukausi sitten
    • You can, using secondary fire. Immediate single action fire but not with the same accuracy compared to double action.

      CuplexCuplex4 päivää sitten
  • Just lower the damage, the accuracy should not be improved, would make the ssg useless

    InfernoCAInfernoCAUukausi sitten
  • I N I T

    Ghost askerGhost askerUukausi sitten
  • The man looks like an English sebastian vettel

    yes Dyes DUukausi sitten
  • Lmao the CSS clip. CSS is the only CS game I ever played and enjoyed, and the deagle is so op. Just run around and 1deag everything, make sure you yell "1DEAG" into vc too, goes very well every time you'll never miss the headshot

    vastowen456vastowen456Uukausi sitten
  • I think it makes sense to improve the moving accuracy of the deagle as well

    Nick LybargerNick LybargerUukausi sitten
    • Why though

      StarStar26 päivää sitten
  • NOOO IT'S PERFECT

    pepperetpepperetUukausi sitten
  • Havent played csgo since 2016 but here i am watching a vid about balancing in the game

    Gustav AnderssonGustav AnderssonUukausi sitten
  • Damage: 63->49 Armor penetration: 93.2% Damage fall off: 19->14%

    HAALATAMLADSHAALATAMLADSUukausi sitten
  • I swear that British people voices don't match their looks

    SHeriff _SHeriff _Uukausi sitten
  • I just want my scout jumpshots back

    AcenovaAcenovaUukausi sitten
  • the deagle is the worst pistol in the game. cant hit shit with it. For me its the extreme recoil that i cant deal with, and it fires sooooo frigging slow.

    Mr. BirneMr. BirneUukausi sitten
    • It’s not the worst pistol in the game, you’re just bad at using it

      StarStar26 päivää sitten
  • i think maybe there is something wrong with that gun , cuz i already tried to shoot from top mid to window mid and its quite bit longer than 24m as you said in the video and i didnt crouch + i got him with a headshot

    iPredator GamingiPredator GamingUukausi sitten
  • This is why I use r8

    tehcommenterofepictehcommenterofepicUukausi sitten
  • On my phone it looked like you were pulling the finger in the thumbnail and it made me chuckle

    PeterPeterUukausi sitten
  • Damage drop off is way too high on it as is. I can’t warrant myself using it on most maps unless I’m taking a tight angle.

    Michael O'BrienMichael O'BrienUukausi sitten
  • game with 65% crtical miss btw.

    Alpha ZtrikeAlpha ZtrikeUukausi sitten
  • My favourite Counter Strike was source tho... :D

    InvadiusProduckInvadiusProduckUukausi sitten
  • maybe the revolver should have a two stage firing system, where the hammer is cocked with M1 and pressing M1 again will fire it immediately, but the hammer is reset when switching weapons meaning you essentially have a longer switch time when switching to the revolver

    YikesYikesUukausi sitten
  • Just make the multiplier for headshots like 10x with the deagle

    TrOpIc ThUnDeRTrOpIc ThUnDeRUukausi sitten
  • I mean i dont mind deag :D I only complain about it when my team constantly swear in russian and buy kevlar + helmet, deag and deco nade. Every. Round.

    Heroixse FTWHeroixse FTWUukausi sitten
  • Yeah i do think it needs changing. They should reduce the damage to be 3 shots to the abdomen for armored opponents at close range (

    August WolfAugust WolfUukausi sitten
  • Problem with the deagle in csgo is the same problem csgo has generally. The hitboxes are hot garbage, and the deagle just displays how hit and miss the hitboxes are with this iteration of source1.

    dupton69dupton69Uukausi sitten
  • The R8 should be way more accurate and fill the glasscannon nische

    OleOleUukausi sitten
  • but if they not change it the hackers will still use the deagle to kill easy

    Omygode3sOmygode3sUukausi sitten
  • I'd just say that the recoil of the deagle should be changed because it looks as if your head is gonnafly away when you shoot

    KomikaLKomikaLUukausi sitten
  • When showing the distances it would've been much better to split the list in two so it could be more easily readible

    KoskyKosky2 kuukautta sitten
  • I'm gonna say this once .. If aint broke, DON'T fix it.

    ketan kiningeketan kininge2 kuukautta sitten
  • The deagle's accuracy is fine. I never expected to hit long range shots with it, but it is nice surprise when I do. I like slothsquadrons' modded changes. I think the problem is everyone expects weapons to hit headshots whenever they are aiming at the head. When that doesn't happen, they assume it is a crappy weapon or player. In particular, people buy a deagle to make headshots so it gets noticed more when it misses. The real problem with the deagle is the close range body shot damage. For $700 you can spam and 2-tap at close range instead of buying a mag-7. I feel like the average m4 or ak body spray up close kills slower than a $700 deagle.

    EnsrickEnsrick2 kuukautta sitten
  • Sloth's balance idea is kinda what I had in mind too. When I play deagle it's mostly in eco rounds or combined with a Shotgun/SMG so I get some ranged damage. However it makes no sense that the damage drop-off is this bad. It's not unlikely to only deal 20 damage on cache or inferno mid into the chest.

    MafloNMafloN2 kuukautta sitten
  • The problem with decreasing the deagle damage is that then every one would just use a 5.7

    Previous CurrentPrevious Current2 kuukautta sitten
  • the deagle is like that person with unstable mood. If you use it at its good 'mood' it will love you, but damn inaccurate if it ain't feeling you

    S I O M A IS I O M A I2 kuukautta sitten
  • changing the delay of the revolver to after the shot and make animation cock the hammer is a change I wouldnt complain about. Make second click faster but less accurate due double action jerk and it might be viable weapon

    TheBarry1394TheBarry13942 kuukautta sitten
  • I think part of the crowd that dislike the deagle in it's current state just want to run around like a badass action movie hero, ( I mean who doesn't to be honest ) so their expectations are a little high.

    LackOf_CommentaryLackOf_Commentary2 kuukautta sitten
  • personally... i love it. Its the gun that made me play better... and it's so god damn tasty to get that magical guan deag...

    Not DefinedNot Defined2 kuukautta sitten
  • Just increase recoil

    Daniel DymanDaniel Dyman2 kuukautta sitten
  • I gave up playing this, it's as inaccurate as it can get... impossible to play with this crap, I would get the revolver any time over the desert. I also gave up playing P90... they did something to it while I was not playing the game and it's now the biggest trash ever..

    Марио ПетровМарио Петров2 kuukautta sitten
  • no lie if you watch my deagle ace on inferno it is crazy how hitboxes have changed!

    ɪʍρααɪʍραα2 kuukautta sitten
  • I think they should give it an accuracy of a scoped awp, and a base damage of 400.

    Benjamin TotallynotaltBenjamin Totallynotalt2 kuukautta sitten
  • I just wish the R8 would get fixed. Put the cooldown after the shot. That's all I'm asking for.

    Mr. VybsonMr. Vybson2 kuukautta sitten
  • there is only one thing CSGO has to take from older games, and that's the good hit-reg

    SnitzalSnitzal2 kuukautta sitten
  • if anything, I think that the deagle needs to be nerfed, it would still kill with a headshot, but would need 4 body hits to kill

    Mohammad AbuirsheidMohammad Abuirsheid2 kuukautta sitten
  • Am i the only one who things the deagle is trash and extremly innaccurate

    Petar GačićPetar Gačić2 kuukautta sitten
  • deagle doesnt need to be changed it needs to be removed from the game, because its purely random and you get spammed by a player that either is jumping or running or not even aiming at you. IT IS RUBBISH, me and my friend usually kick players that buy deagle often because we end up loosing way too many rounds to some deagle hero that thinks it is a skill weapon and he is an aim god.

    Samo BalcoSamo Balco2 kuukautta sitten
  • "css is a version of counter strike that nobody liked that much" bruh. thats the only counter strike i like

    KarsonatorzKarsonatorz2 kuukautta sitten
  • I wish you made content on other games. You bring such detailed information, yet it's all about a poor outdated game that uses terrible tech.

    SerenitySerenity2 kuukautta sitten
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